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		<title>By: Andy Juell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Juell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott;

Heavy industry left this country in the 1970&#039;s primarily because they could not compete in that market and for the same reasons: Top-heavy management, unreasonable union contracts and a sort of nationalized arrogance left over from World War II.   Other providers did the same job, did it cheaper and in most cases better.  Democrats want to save these companies for all the wrong reasons -- they represent a huge voting bloc.  The Republicans view them as expendable.  They would rather focus on the financial institutions.  Hell, that&#039;s just good business.  They&#039;ll be back at the fund raisers no matter what and the failure of the auto industry will be a &#039;Democratic problem.&#039;  

Best overall solution?  Send GM to bankruptcy court.  They won&#039;t be able pick a color for the bathrooms in five year, much less build a decent car..  With the union contracts broken, see if any part is viable and dismantle the rest.  Some divisions might be useful to Chrysler.  Leave Ford alone, but with the option of some loan guarantees.  They show signs of intelligence.   Sell Volvo, Saab, Jaguar and Land Rover to their previous owners.  Or maybe manufacture them in Zimbabwe.  Those people really need something to occupy their time.  Finally, get over this God-awful anghst about American tradition.  I almost cried when Massey-Ferguson stopped building tractors.  Well, I bought a Kubota.  You know what?  The corn didn&#039;t give a shit.  We move on with what works.

Andy Juell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott;</p>
<p>Heavy industry left this country in the 1970&#8217;s primarily because they could not compete in that market and for the same reasons: Top-heavy management, unreasonable union contracts and a sort of nationalized arrogance left over from World War II.   Other providers did the same job, did it cheaper and in most cases better.  Democrats want to save these companies for all the wrong reasons &#8212; they represent a huge voting bloc.  The Republicans view them as expendable.  They would rather focus on the financial institutions.  Hell, that&#8217;s just good business.  They&#8217;ll be back at the fund raisers no matter what and the failure of the auto industry will be a &#8216;Democratic problem.&#8217;  </p>
<p>Best overall solution?  Send GM to bankruptcy court.  They won&#8217;t be able pick a color for the bathrooms in five year, much less build a decent car..  With the union contracts broken, see if any part is viable and dismantle the rest.  Some divisions might be useful to Chrysler.  Leave Ford alone, but with the option of some loan guarantees.  They show signs of intelligence.   Sell Volvo, Saab, Jaguar and Land Rover to their previous owners.  Or maybe manufacture them in Zimbabwe.  Those people really need something to occupy their time.  Finally, get over this God-awful anghst about American tradition.  I almost cried when Massey-Ferguson stopped building tractors.  Well, I bought a Kubota.  You know what?  The corn didn&#8217;t give a shit.  We move on with what works.</p>
<p>Andy Juell</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,
Thank you for your calm, well-thought-out, not-at-all-accusatory, intelligent response.

You bring up a very good point; it&#039;s possible that the American tradition of the auto industry may be so intertwined in the veins of America that its downfall will spell the whole country&#039;s.

I don&#039;t think anyone really knows for sure what will happen (I know I don&#039;t; journalists aren&#039;t given a standard-issue crystal ball). I hope that if they do get the bailout, it will be the first step in a litany of changes. Even though they are steeped in American tradition, their traditions aren&#039;t perfect.

And if they don&#039;t get the bailout, I hope either A) that&#039;s incentive enough to make the necessary drastic changes, or B) they go out of business to give way to new  (hopefully American) companies that will fill the niche.

And so you know: I don&#039;t hate America, and I don&#039;t hate you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
Thank you for your calm, well-thought-out, not-at-all-accusatory, intelligent response.</p>
<p>You bring up a very good point; it&#8217;s possible that the American tradition of the auto industry may be so intertwined in the veins of America that its downfall will spell the whole country&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone really knows for sure what will happen (I know I don&#8217;t; journalists aren&#8217;t given a standard-issue crystal ball). I hope that if they do get the bailout, it will be the first step in a litany of changes. Even though they are steeped in American tradition, their traditions aren&#8217;t perfect.</p>
<p>And if they don&#8217;t get the bailout, I hope either A) that&#8217;s incentive enough to make the necessary drastic changes, or B) they go out of business to give way to new  (hopefully American) companies that will fill the niche.</p>
<p>And so you know: I don&#8217;t hate America, and I don&#8217;t hate you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Melater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Melater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why do you hate America?  Why do you desire a depression?  This goes beyond idealogy.  It delves into the heart and soul of America and you are killing her and us.  No one, not you or me, the red states nor the blue states, will win if these companies collapse.  This country, and the world, may well fall so deep and hard into depression that it will never recover.  I hope you are proud of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why do you hate America?  Why do you desire a depression?  This goes beyond idealogy.  It delves into the heart and soul of America and you are killing her and us.  No one, not you or me, the red states nor the blue states, will win if these companies collapse.  This country, and the world, may well fall so deep and hard into depression that it will never recover.  I hope you are proud of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Car Trouble? Let&#8217;s Bail &#171; How Do You Say That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Car Trouble? Let&#8217;s Bail &#171; How Do You Say That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason Elder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Blog.  I&#039;ve been reading along and just wanted to say hi.  I will be reading more of your posts in the future.

- Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Blog.  I&#8217;ve been reading along and just wanted to say hi.  I will be reading more of your posts in the future.</p>
<p>- Jason.</p>
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